Fleet Leader Meeting, August 30th

In an effort to increase participation, better meet players expectations, and improve our current and future Fleet events, I would like to call a meeting of MO Fleet Leaders.

The meeting will take place at 1300 (1:00pm) PST, 1600 (4:00pm EST) on Sunday, August 30, 2009. This is right after the fleet battles take place...please do your best to attend.

I invite ALL fleet leaders, those currently in the Fleet League, and those interested in future Fleet League and other Fleet oriented events.

Bloodstone28, TeamNF

Hi,

no offence but can TNF please start using UTC/GMT time as major timezone for time calculations? It would save us all a lot of trouble and misunderstandings.

For example...
Almost all timezones have their summer and winter variants. Right now you are using PST time.

PST (Pacific Standard Time) is used during winter in these US states:
- California
- Idaho (western counties)
- Nevada
- Oregon (except most of Malheur county)
- Washington
And PST is 8 hours behind of Coordinated Universal Time (UTC/GMT)

In summer these states are using PDT (Pacific Daylight Time) and PDT is 7 hours behind of Coordinated Universal Time (UTC/GMT)...

And with EST (Eastern Standard Time) is It the same thing all again.

Now I have to start calculating your times from your timezones to my timezone (CEST)...

Bloodstone28 wrote:The meeting will take place at 13:00 (1:00pm) PST, 16:00 (4:00pm EST) on Sunday, August 30, 2009.

...so from PST:
13:00[PST] +8 hours = 21:00[UTC/GMT] +2 hours = 23:00[CEST]

...and from EST:
16:00[EST] -10 hours = 6:00am[UTC/GMT] +2 hours = 8:00am[CEST]

Even 6 year old child would tell you that there is something wrong.

So wouldn't be easier for all of us to start using UTC/GMT time which don't have any summer or winter variants and is nice to work with?


ps: Sorry for my bad English. I just hope you understand what I'm trying to tell you.

-Hitumi

Thanks for adding that...your right, I could try adding in more timezone information on my posts...I use the PST as the base time because that is the NFNA server timezone.

Sorry but obviously I have to ask again. What is the UTC/GMT time of this meeting? I wouldn't like to miss this meeting.

thx
Hitumi

No Offence Hitumi but ever since we started using UTC/GMT, we have had nothing but problems originizing Matches......

In the last Season, we used US Eastern and from what I can remember is that there might of been 1 or 2 glitches from the switch Daily to Standard. Other than that there the timings seemed to run smoothly.

Another thing, why would a the Navy Field North America use a European Time Zone when the over 50% of it's players are on the Continental North America & South America?

I would recommend that the Fleet League use US Eastern as a base time zone.

I also advocate using UTC as base for every time calculation for a simple reason: It's Universal and therefore way more easier to coordinate times as everyone knows his difference to UTC.

It will become really different calculating times when winter time takes effect because the days are different! That means for Europeans there is still summer time when it's not for Americans...

There is always so much trouble with times (see fleets that dropped due to lack of coordination) and personally I hate it. Why not using UTC? It never changes and was invented just for that! Even armed forces use standardized times!

tango44 wrote:Another thing, why would a the Navy Field North America use a European Time Zone when the over 50% of it's players are on the Continental North America & South America?

Because more then 50% of NFNA players do NOT come from NA. Plus, UTC = Universal and its MUCH easier to work out different time zonez from there.

Personally I think its better to use a selection of the most common timezones than to standardize on a single one, afterall you will never satisfy everyone.

So why not just list all events with all the following timezones:

GMT/UTC
CET
EST
PST

Or any better selection thats appropriate, atleast the above will give two stable European times and two stable American times for people to use.

Question:

PST = Pacific or Phillipine Standard Time

Guys, doesn't do us any good to argue...I will simply post my times in PST (cause its the server time), EST because its probably the most commonly used on the server, and GMT since everyone can easily calculate it....

The little "world" pic on the front of this site should make time calculation easy...at the moment EDT(EST daylight) time for the meeting is 1600 (4:00pm)....add 4 hours to that...and you have GMT 2000 (8:00pm).

Thanks Bloodstone


and...

tango44 wrote:Question:

PST = Pacific or Phillipine Standard Time

...PST is "Pacific Standard Time" used during winter.

+ I really rocommend this web for any timezone to timezone calculation you will need to make. It's simple, transparent and working perfectly.

Bloodstone28 wrote:The little "world" pic on the front of this site should make time calculation easy...at the moment EDT(EST daylight) time for the meeting is 1600 (4:00pm)....add 4 hours to that...and you have GMT 2000 (8:00pm).

I will be unavailable until after the New York Server has completed it's business with the Fleet League. They usually run until:

GMT - 2130
BST - 2230
AST - 1730
EST - 1630
CST - 1530
MST - 1430
PST - 1330
Korea - 0630
Hong Kong - 0530(Monday)
Phillipines - 0530(Monday)
AEST - 0830(Monday)
EET - 0530(Monday)
EG-EET 0530(Monday)

Or later depending on De-syncs and/or Protests

Side Note:
The RCN is mainly madeup of North Americans but we roughly have 20-25 Members in the other timezones and they are the ones I have listed

If the fleet leader of a given fleet is unable to attend, an officer in the fleet can attend in their place if they deem that is what they want to do. What I want to avoid is having so many people in there that it becomes unproductive...which is why I am requesting one person per fleet (usually fleet leader)

Blood

Meeting will be ingame only? TNF TS was deactivated, wasn't it?
Area19?

Yes, it was, area 19 will be the discussion area